[Rigf_program] Fwd: Look forward to see you in Tokyo.... and session M4
Ang Peng Hwa (Prof)
TPHANG at ntu.edu.sg
Fri Jul 13 10:26:05 HKT 2012
Obata-san,
Apologies for coming on late to the discussion. Still under a cloud, not the computing kind unfortunately.
It's fine to change the title to (1) "International Public Policy and Internet Governance".
Folks,
As you probably know, this kind of thing (titles that read odd—perhaps it reads/sounds fine in Japanese) can happen because there are many issues for the PC to consider. As it is an easy fix, we should do it.
Pablo,
Thanks for pointing the oddity out. 'Much appreciated
Regards,
Peng Hwa
From: Yoshihiro Obata <ObataYoshihiro at eaccess.net<mailto:ObataYoshihiro at eaccess.net>>
To: William Fitzgerald <williamf at google.com<mailto:williamf at google.com>>
Cc: "program at ap.rigf.asia<mailto:program at ap.rigf.asia>" <program at ap.rigf.asia<mailto:program at ap.rigf.asia>>, "secretary at jaipa.or.jp<mailto:secretary at jaipa.or.jp>" <secretary at jaipa.or.jp<mailto:secretary at jaipa.or.jp>>, "pablo at apnic.net<mailto:pablo at apnic.net>" <pablo at apnic.net<mailto:pablo at apnic.net>>
Subject: Re: [Rigf_program] Fwd: Look forward to see you in Tokyo.... and session M4
Daer William,
You are correct. However, with no reply from anybody, I am puzzled what to do.
Yoshihiro Obata
(2012/07/13 9:37), William Fitzgerald wrote:
I'm not sure i understand this email. I agree to the proposed title change if that's the question.
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Yoshihiro Obata <ObataYoshihiro at eaccess.net<mailto:ObataYoshihiro at eaccess.net>> wrote:
Dear all,
I just noticed that I received an email that Google and its speakers agreed with the original change to "Evolution of Internet governance models". Since William is on the list of this email, I would like to agree to the change after his confirmation on whether the other proposals are better or not.
However, please finish this discussion by early afternoon tomorrow. Some materials may not be changed later.
Sincerely,
Yoshihiro Obata
(2012/07/11 18:12), Izumi AIZU wrote:
I have no real preference at this stage.
Change may look better, but feels a bit odd at this stage.
izumi
2012/7/11 Yoshihiro Obata <ObataYoshihiro at eaccess.net<mailto:ObataYoshihiro at eaccess.net>>:
Dear MSG members,
As I stated before, I do not like to change it at this stage without
your majority support. Since we are at the final stage of working for
printing materials, we need it very soon.
If we do not see many responses by the end of today, I would like to
propose a quick poll tomorrow by Peng Hwa or a chairman's decision and
fix the issue by the end of tomorrow.
Sincerely,
Yoshihiro Obata
(2012/07/11 17:20), Adam Peake wrote:
Hi everyone.
Pablo's right "pertaining to the Internet" is redundant in the title.
Suggest title as either
(1) "International Public Policy and Internet Governance"
or
(2) "International Public Policy Issues Pertaining to the Internet"
And given the ITU council working group named "international
Internet-related public policy issues", the first of those names
probably better.
Adam
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Pablo Hinojosa <pablo at apnic.net<mailto:pablo at apnic.net>> wrote:
Dear Yoshiro Obata,
Thank you for your message. Not the purpose of my message to bring
confusion.
Great to be proved wrong that the title doesn't imply supporting
activities such as the closed ITU CWG-Internet. This is good news.
I guess we all agree that the current multistakeholder model is the one
that we need to care for and promote its evolution within this
framework. I offered an alternative title, but I am open to any
suggestions. Perhaps title can be "Evolution of the current Internet
governance model"?
My point is that the current title is heavily charged with the ITU
connotation and the implication of "Internet Governance issues
pertaining to the Internet" doesn't make much sense.
Pablo
On 11/07/12 5:49 PM, Yoshihiro Obata wrote:
Dear German and Pablo,
I am a little confused.
As far as I understand, the session covers many UN like activities
which are trying to manage the Internet. Basically, all of the speakers
are against such idea. The reason why the title is such is that it is
the name for all of these activities.
If you are suggesting that the title implies that it "supports" such
activity, that is a wrong assumption. I think you need to read the
abstract of the session.
Secondly, I do not think the presenters will propose any new Internet
governance model so that your proposal of "evolution" may not fit well.
I think what we want to stick with is the multistakeholder model as
it is right now.
Anyway, my understanding is that we let the coordinator propose their
session title unless their is a conflict or confusion with other
sessions or the majority of the MSG think that the title does not fit well.
I do not have any strong position on the change but I do not support
nor refuse the change for the reasons above.
Sincerely,
Yoshihiro Obata
(2012/07/11 16:23), German Valdez wrote:
Hi
I'm forwarding this message to the list on behalf of Pablo Hinojosa.
Please if you need to reply include Pablo in the cc.
Regards
German
Begin forwarded message:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Look forward to see you in Tokyo.... and session M4
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:12:07 +1000
From: Pablo Hinojosa <pablo at apnic.net<mailto:pablo at apnic.net> <mailto:pablo at apnic.net<mailto:pablo at apnic.net>>>
To: program at ap.rigf.asia<mailto:program at ap.rigf.asia> <mailto:program at ap.rigf.asia<mailto:program at ap.rigf.asia>>
Hello from APNIC,
Hope all is well. I look forward to meet you next week at the APrIGF in
Tokyo.
I have not been involved in the discussions that lead to the preparation
of the forum, although some of my colleagues in APNIC have. When we were
preparing our participation for next week, the following issue caught
our attention. It is the title of panel M4: "International Public Policy
and Internet Governance Issues Pertaining to the Internet"
First thing is that I would be interested to attend this session and I
am sure there will be a rich discussion.
However, I noticed that the title of the session is a bit strange and
wondered if it refers to, for example, the ITU's Council Working Group
on international Internet-related public policy issues (CWG-Internet):
http://www.itu.int/council/groups/CWG-internet/index.html
And also if there are Internet governance issues that *does not* pertain
to the Internet.
Wonder if, even at this late stage, there could be a consideration to
change the title of this session, for example, to: "evolution of
Internet governance models"?
What do you think?
Best regards,
Pablo Hinojosa
APNIC
+61430147274<tel:%2B61430147274>
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