[Rigf_program] Fwd: Look forward to see you in Tokyo.... and session M4
Yoshihiro Obata
ObataYoshihiro at eaccess.net
Fri Jul 13 10:35:25 HKT 2012
Dear Peng Hwa,
Thank you for your quick reply.
Please take care.
I look forward to seeing you in Tokyo soon.
Sincerely,
Yoshihiro Obata
(2012/07/13 11:26), Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) wrote:
> Obata-san,
>
> Apologies for coming on late to the discussion. Still under a cloud,
> not the computing kind unfortunately.
>
> It's fine to change the title to (1) "International Public Policy and
> Internet Governance".
>
> Folks,
> As you probably know, this kind of thing (titles that read
> odd---perhaps it reads/sounds fine in Japanese) can happen because
> there are many issues for the PC to consider. As it is an easy fix, we
> should do it.
>
>
> Pablo,
> Thanks for pointing the oddity out. 'Much appreciated
>
> Regards,
> Peng Hwa
>
> From: Yoshihiro Obata <ObataYoshihiro at eaccess.net
> <mailto:ObataYoshihiro at eaccess.net>>
> To: William Fitzgerald <williamf at google.com <mailto:williamf at google.com>>
> Cc: "program at ap.rigf.asia <mailto:program at ap.rigf.asia>"
> <program at ap.rigf.asia <mailto:program at ap.rigf.asia>>,
> "secretary at jaipa.or.jp <mailto:secretary at jaipa.or.jp>"
> <secretary at jaipa.or.jp <mailto:secretary at jaipa.or.jp>>,
> "pablo at apnic.net <mailto:pablo at apnic.net>" <pablo at apnic.net
> <mailto:pablo at apnic.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Rigf_program] Fwd: Look forward to see you in Tokyo....
> and session M4
>
> Daer William,
>
> You are correct. However, with no reply from anybody, I am
> puzzled what to do.
>
> Yoshihiro Obata
>
>
> (2012/07/13 9:37), William Fitzgerald wrote:
>> I'm not sure i understand this email. I agree to the proposed
>> title change if that's the question.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Yoshihiro Obata
>> <ObataYoshihiro at eaccess.net <mailto:ObataYoshihiro at eaccess.net>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I just noticed that I received an email that Google and its
>> speakers agreed with the original change to "Evolution of
>> Internet governance models". Since William is on the list of
>> this email, I would like to agree to the change after his
>> confirmation on whether the other proposals are better or not.
>>
>> However, please finish this discussion by early afternoon
>> tomorrow. Some materials may not be changed later.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Yoshihiro Obata
>>
>>
>> (2012/07/11 18:12), Izumi AIZU wrote:
>>
>> I have no real preference at this stage.
>>
>> Change may look better, but feels a bit odd at this stage.
>>
>> izumi
>>
>>
>> 2012/7/11 Yoshihiro Obata <ObataYoshihiro at eaccess.net
>> <mailto:ObataYoshihiro at eaccess.net>>:
>>
>> Dear MSG members,
>>
>> As I stated before, I do not like to change it at
>> this stage without
>> your majority support. Since we are at the final
>> stage of working for
>> printing materials, we need it very soon.
>> If we do not see many responses by the end of
>> today, I would like to
>> propose a quick poll tomorrow by Peng Hwa or a
>> chairman's decision and
>> fix the issue by the end of tomorrow.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Yoshihiro Obata
>>
>> (2012/07/11 17:20), Adam Peake wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone.
>>
>> Pablo's right "pertaining to the Internet" is
>> redundant in the title.
>> Suggest title as either
>>
>> (1) "International Public Policy and Internet
>> Governance"
>>
>> or
>>
>> (2) "International Public Policy Issues
>> Pertaining to the Internet"
>>
>> And given the ITU council working group named
>> "international
>> Internet-related public policy issues", the first
>> of those names
>> probably better.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Pablo Hinojosa
>> <pablo at apnic.net <mailto:pablo at apnic.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Yoshiro Obata,
>>
>> Thank you for your message. Not the purpose
>> of my message to bring
>> confusion.
>>
>> Great to be proved wrong that the title
>> doesn't imply supporting
>> activities such as the closed ITU
>> CWG-Internet. This is good news.
>>
>> I guess we all agree that the current
>> multistakeholder model is the one
>> that we need to care for and promote its
>> evolution within this
>> framework. I offered an alternative title,
>> but I am open to any
>> suggestions. Perhaps title can be "Evolution
>> of the current Internet
>> governance model"?
>>
>> My point is that the current title is heavily
>> charged with the ITU
>> connotation and the implication of "Internet
>> Governance issues
>> pertaining to the Internet" doesn't make much
>> sense.
>>
>> Pablo
>>
>>
>> On 11/07/12 5:49 PM, Yoshihiro Obata wrote:
>>
>> Dear German and Pablo,
>>
>> I am a little confused.
>> As far as I understand, the session
>> covers many UN like activities
>> which are trying to manage the Internet.
>> Basically, all of the speakers
>> are against such idea. The reason why
>> the title is such is that it is
>> the name for all of these activities.
>> If you are suggesting that the title
>> implies that it "supports" such
>> activity, that is a wrong assumption. I
>> think you need to read the
>> abstract of the session.
>> Secondly, I do not think the
>> presenters will propose any new Internet
>> governance model so that your proposal of
>> "evolution" may not fit well.
>> I think what we want to stick with
>> is the multistakeholder model as
>> it is right now.
>>
>> Anyway, my understanding is that we
>> let the coordinator propose their
>> session title unless their is a conflict
>> or confusion with other
>> sessions or the majority of the MSG think
>> that the title does not fit well.
>>
>> I do not have any strong position on
>> the change but I do not support
>> nor refuse the change for the reasons above.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Yoshihiro Obata
>>
>> (2012/07/11 16:23), German Valdez wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I'm forwarding this message to the
>> list on behalf of Pablo Hinojosa.
>>
>> Please if you need to reply include
>> Pablo in the cc.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> German
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Look forward to see you
>> in Tokyo.... and session M4
>> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:12:07 +1000
>> From: Pablo Hinojosa
>> <pablo at apnic.net
>> <mailto:pablo at apnic.net>
>> <mailto:pablo at apnic.net
>> <mailto:pablo at apnic.net>>>
>> To: program at ap.rigf.asia
>> <mailto:program at ap.rigf.asia>
>> <mailto:program at ap.rigf.asia
>> <mailto:program at ap.rigf.asia>>
>>
>> Hello from APNIC,
>>
>> Hope all is well. I look forward
>> to meet you next week at the
>> APrIGF in
>> Tokyo.
>>
>> I have not been involved in the
>> discussions that lead to the
>> preparation
>> of the forum, although some of my
>> colleagues in APNIC have. When we
>> were
>> preparing our participation for
>> next week, the following issue caught
>> our attention. It is the title of
>> panel M4: "International Public
>> Policy
>> and Internet Governance Issues
>> Pertaining to the Internet"
>>
>> First thing is that I would be
>> interested to attend this session
>> and I
>> am sure there will be a rich
>> discussion.
>>
>> However, I noticed that the title
>> of the session is a bit strange and
>> wondered if it refers to, for
>> example, the ITU's Council
>> Working Group
>> on international Internet-related
>> public policy issues (CWG-Internet):
>>
>> http://www.itu.int/council/groups/CWG-internet/index.html
>>
>> And also if there are Internet
>> governance issues that *does not*
>> pertain
>> to the Internet.
>>
>> Wonder if, even at this late
>> stage, there could be a
>> consideration to
>> change the title of this session,
>> for example, to: "evolution of
>> Internet governance models"?
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Pablo Hinojosa
>> APNIC
>> +61430147274 <tel:%2B61430147274>
>>
>>
>>
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