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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Peng Hwa,<br>
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Thank you for your quick reply.<br>
Please take care.<br>
<br>
I look forward to seeing you in Tokyo soon.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Yoshihiro Obata<br>
<br>
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(2012/07/13 11:26), Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) wrote:<br>
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<div>Obata-san,</div>
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<div>Apologies for coming on late to the discussion. Still under a
cloud, not the computing kind unfortunately.</div>
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<div>It's fine to change the title to (1) "International Public
Policy and Internet Governance". </div>
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<div>Folks,</div>
<div>As you probably know, this kind of thing (titles that read
odd—perhaps it reads/sounds fine in Japanese) can happen because
there are many issues for the PC to consider. As it is an easy
fix, we should do it.</div>
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<div>Pablo,</div>
<div>Thanks for pointing the oddity out. 'Much appreciated </div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Peng Hwa</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Yoshihiro Obata
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<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>William Fitzgerald
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<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:pablo@apnic.net">pablo@apnic.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
[Rigf_program] Fwd: Look forward to see you in Tokyo.... and
session M4<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Daer William,<br>
<br>
You are correct. However, with no reply from anybody,
I am puzzled what to do.<br>
<br>
Yoshihiro Obata<br>
<br>
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(2012/07/13 9:37), William Fitzgerald wrote:<br>
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I'm not sure i understand this email. I agree to the
proposed title change if that's the question.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:01
PM, Yoshihiro Obata <span dir="ltr">
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Dear all,<br>
<br>
I just noticed that I received an email that
Google and its speakers agreed with the original
change to "Evolution of Internet governance
models". Since William is on the list of this
email, I would like to agree to the change after
his confirmation on whether the other proposals
are better or not.<br>
<br>
However, please finish this discussion by early
afternoon tomorrow. Some materials may not be
changed later.<br>
<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Yoshihiro Obata
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(2012/07/11 18:12), Izumi AIZU wrote:<br>
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I have no real preference at this stage.<br>
<br>
Change may look better, but feels a bit odd
at this stage.<br>
<br>
izumi<br>
<br>
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2012/7/11 Yoshihiro Obata <<a
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Dear MSG members,<br>
<br>
As I stated before, I do not like to
change it at this stage without<br>
your majority support. Since we are at
the final stage of working for<br>
printing materials, we need it very soon.<br>
If we do not see many responses by the
end of today, I would like to<br>
propose a quick poll tomorrow by Peng Hwa
or a chairman's decision and<br>
fix the issue by the end of tomorrow.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Yoshihiro Obata<br>
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(2012/07/11 17:20), Adam Peake wrote:<br>
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Hi everyone.<br>
<br>
Pablo's right "pertaining to the
Internet" is redundant in the title.<br>
Suggest title as either<br>
<br>
(1) "International Public Policy and
Internet Governance"<br>
<br>
or<br>
<br>
(2) "International Public Policy Issues
Pertaining to the Internet"<br>
<br>
And given the ITU council working group
named "international<br>
Internet-related public policy issues",
the first of those names<br>
probably better.<br>
<br>
Adam<br>
<br>
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Pablo
Hinojosa <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">pablo@apnic.net</a>>
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Dear Yoshiro Obata,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your message. Not the
purpose of my message to bring<br>
confusion.<br>
<br>
Great to be proved wrong that the
title doesn't imply supporting<br>
activities such as the closed ITU
CWG-Internet. This is good news.<br>
<br>
I guess we all agree that the current
multistakeholder model is the one<br>
that we need to care for and promote
its evolution within this<br>
framework. I offered an alternative
title, but I am open to any<br>
suggestions. Perhaps title can be
"Evolution of the current Internet<br>
governance model"?<br>
<br>
My point is that the current title is
heavily charged with the ITU<br>
connotation and the implication of
"Internet Governance issues<br>
pertaining to the Internet" doesn't
make much sense.<br>
<br>
Pablo<br>
<br>
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On 11/07/12 5:49 PM, Yoshihiro Obata
wrote:<br>
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Dear German and Pablo,<br>
<br>
I am a little confused.<br>
As far as I understand, the
session covers many UN like
activities<br>
which are trying to manage the
Internet. Basically, all of the
speakers<br>
are against such idea. The reason
why the title is such is that it is<br>
the name for all of these
activities.<br>
If you are suggesting that the
title implies that it "supports"
such<br>
activity, that is a wrong
assumption. I think you need to
read the<br>
abstract of the session.<br>
Secondly, I do not think the
presenters will propose any new
Internet<br>
governance model so that your
proposal of "evolution" may not fit
well.<br>
I think what we want to stick
with is the multistakeholder model
as<br>
it is right now.<br>
<br>
Anyway, my understanding is
that we let the coordinator propose
their<br>
session title unless their is a
conflict or confusion with other<br>
sessions or the majority of the MSG
think that the title does not fit
well.<br>
<br>
I do not have any strong
position on the change but I do not
support<br>
nor refuse the change for the
reasons above.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Yoshihiro Obata<br>
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(2012/07/11 16:23), German Valdez
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Hi<br>
<br>
I'm forwarding this message to the
list on behalf of Pablo Hinojosa.<br>
<br>
Please if you need to reply
include Pablo in the cc.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
German<br>
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Subject: Look forward to see you
in Tokyo.... and session M4<br>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:12:07
+1000<br>
From: Pablo Hinojosa <<a
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To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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program@ap.rigf.asia</a>
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Hello from APNIC,<br>
<br>
Hope all is well. I look forward
to meet you next week at the
APrIGF in<br>
Tokyo.<br>
<br>
I have not been involved in the
discussions that lead to the
preparation<br>
of the forum, although some of
my colleagues in APNIC have.
When we were<br>
preparing our participation for
next week, the following issue
caught<br>
our attention. It is the title
of panel M4: "International
Public Policy<br>
and Internet Governance Issues
Pertaining to the Internet"<br>
<br>
First thing is that I would be
interested to attend this
session and I<br>
am sure there will be a rich
discussion.<br>
<br>
However, I noticed that the
title of the session is a bit
strange and<br>
wondered if it refers to, for
example, the ITU's Council
Working Group<br>
on international
Internet-related public policy
issues (CWG-Internet):<br>
<br>
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<br>
And also if there are Internet
governance issues that *does
not* pertain<br>
to the Internet.<br>
<br>
Wonder if, even at this late
stage, there could be a
consideration to<br>
change the title of this
session, for example, to:
"evolution of<br>
Internet governance models"?<br>
<br>
What do you think?<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Pablo Hinojosa<br>
APNIC<br>
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