[Rigf_program] APrIGF 2013--India is interested

Wu Kuo kuoweiwu at gmail.com
Mon Sep 3 10:15:50 HKT 2012 

Agree. That is what we should do before Baku meeting.

Kuo Wu

Hong Xue 於 2012/9/3 上午10:08 寫道：

> Since no formal/written procedure or rules is set out on hosting, it
> is important to ensure none of the proposals/bids availed to us so far
> is excluded. Sequencing or decision is the issue for next step. We may
> wish to start drafting the rules as Keith suggested at this stage.
> 
> Hong
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Anja Kovacs <anja at internetdemocracy.in> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I will also be in Baku and would like to join the discussions.
>> 
>> Please allow me to also make a few comments here. I agree with the need to
>> set into place procedures that are clear, transparent, and take into account
>> the enormous variety that the AP region is made up of. To make this a truly
>> regional event, I believe this would necessarily need to involve a balanced
>> representation of the different regions on the MAG, as well as, as much as
>> possible, a rotation of the event around different parts of the region.
>> 
>> I have observed the development of the APrIGF mostly from the outside over
>> the past few years, and since February, have also gotten the opportunity to
>> have some glimpses from the inside. I have much appreciated the enormous and
>> evident efforts that various people on this list have made to grow and
>> develop this yearly event. However, if the focus of the event - in practice,
>> if not in intention - continues to be on East and South East Asia, it is
>> unlikely that existing criticisms will go away.
>> 
>> For that reason, I think it is important that procedures are put into place
>> from this year onwards, and that existing decisions can be reviewed. This is
>> not to say that the next APrIGF should necessarily come to India. It is to
>> say, however, that if India is to bid, this bid should be fully considered
>> and given a fair chance. It is only when the APrIGF literally comes closer
>> to people that the larger Internet communities in the various parts of AP
>> will feel that it is also "their" event.
>> 
>> Finally, let me say that if the Indian government shows an interest in
>> hosting the event and puts in a bid, I am sure they would do a good job.
>> 
>> I am likely to meet with Dr. Govind this Tuesday. Please let me know if
>> there is anything you would like me to clarify with him, or any comments you
>> would like to share. I would be happy to do so.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> Anja
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2 September 2012 10:25, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Indonesian Government person is Dr. Sardjoeni Moedjiono.
>>> 
>>> He is on the IGF MAG, and I believe trying to host global IGF in 2013,
>>> am not sure if that is 100% confirmed, but highly likely.  He has two
>>> hats:
>>> 
>>> Dr. Sardjoeni Moedjiono
>>> Executive Team Member of the National ICT Council, Republic of Indonesia.
>>> 
>>> Director of Postgraduate Program,
>>> Budi Luhur University,
>>> Jakarta, Indonesia.
>>> 
>>> We sent invitation letter to him for this year's APrIGF, and due to
>>> late invitation/planning, he wanted but could not join.
>>> 
>>> I don't think Indonesia will host one global and one regional in the
>>> same year or consecutively, but I think it is better to let them be
>>> inside the loop for APrIGF (among others).
>>> 
>>> izumi
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2012/9/2 Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com>:
>>>> That is exactly what I had heard about KISA and SKs commitment.It is
>>>> the reason that I was pointing this out because within IGF related
>>>> activities, any body that takes up a regional IGF activity should also
>>>> build up the stakeholder confidence and trust in its processes so that
>>>> a legitimacy may be sustainably established.
>>>> 
>>>> India's interest can be confirmed and kept for 2014 so that they also
>>>> have time to commit and prepare. If you take the APrIGF to South Asia,
>>>> then there will have to be considerable effort to convince and bring
>>>> in South Asian governments, academic, civil society, researchers,
>>>> private sector. The cooperation basis in that region is very tense due
>>>> to the war on terror and other inter-regional issues that have been
>>>> part of a strained history of relations. It would also mean to
>>>> convince SAARC the South Asian Association Regional Cooperation into
>>>> the process.
>>>> 
>>>> One thing that is missing from the APrIGF as Parminder had also
>>>> pointed out is both balanced representation of stakeholder groups in
>>>> the process while I also believe in Prof Peng's stance that new things
>>>> take time to build up but if the proper combined effort is made this
>>>> can be achieved.
>>>> 
>>>> I can even organize a APrIGF in Pakistan but without having a local
>>>> commitment to the IGF process does not enable a successful cooperation
>>>> for that to happen between all the stakeholder groups so as Paul also
>>>> points out, there needs to be a detailed level of commitment and
>>>> clarity in purpose of the process legitimizing the MSG participation.
>>>> 
>>>> Best
>>>> 
>>>> FoOodafied!
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Ching Chiao <chiao at registry.asia> wrote:
>>>>> Dear all -- I've worked with KISA for a successful APNG Camp last month
>>>>> in
>>>>> Seoul. As Dr. Sir told me -- the budget of 2013 APrIGF in Korea has
>>>>> been
>>>>> booked and keep in mind they are a government agency therefore the
>>>>> commitment is 200% there (the other 100% is that if the meeting is not
>>>>> happening there will be a consequence). On the other hand, I remember
>>>>> when I
>>>>> helped chair the AP* meeting earlier this year in New Delhi, we did
>>>>> talk
>>>>> about recognizing Korea's interest back then and we thank them for give
>>>>> ways
>>>>> to Japan for this year's meeting (and at that time KISA does not have a
>>>>> meeting proposal).
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do not know if YJ Park is on this list. I know she's been involved in
>>>>> Korean IGF and is the main international contact. Ms. Jin from KISA was
>>>>> also
>>>>> assigned to prepare for IGF.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ching
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi, yes, I will be in Baku and willing to join the meeting, and
>>>>>> I also agree with Paul and others that it's time for us to
>>>>>> define the process in an open manner - so as not to be blamed
>>>>>> yet again - for selection of the next venue and also define
>>>>>> ourselves - who are organizing the APrIGF under which terms
>>>>>> and conditions, again this should be open and transparent.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> izumi
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2012/9/2 Keith Davidson <keith at internetnz.net.nz>:
>>>>>>> Hi Peng Hwa, all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I will be in Baku and support the idea of getting together to
>>>>>>> discuss.
>>>>>>> Perhaps we should concentrate on establishing 2 sub committees of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> main group, to deal specifically with:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Sub committee 1 - Meeting hosting procedures
>>>>>>> - Sub committee 2 - MSG composition and appointments
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And perhaps establishing a charter for these sub committees ??
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> While it has been great not to have to be confined by rules and
>>>>>>> regulations since our inception, it does appear that we will have to
>>>>>>> have more robust and transparent processes for the future.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 31/08/2012 5:12 p.m., Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) wrote:
>>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I met Kuo-Wei to discuss the APrIGF process but there were just two
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>>> What we concluded was that it was essential to get the call for
>>>>>>>> hosting
>>>>>>>> out. That was Wednesday.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This Friday morning I met Dr. Govind, senior director of the
>>>>>>>> Government
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> India's Ministry of CIT, because he expressed interest to host the
>>>>>>>> 2013
>>>>>>>> APrIGF in India. Some people here at the APNIC conference seem to
>>>>>>>> suggest
>>>>>>>> that India would make a better choice. The South Asia region would
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> likely to attend.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We need to get the bid document out to them soon. And of course
>>>>>>>> prompt
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> South Koreans to respond.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> A number of us will be at the IGF at Baku. We should take the
>>>>>>>> opportunity
>>>>>>>> to iron out the civil society process issues. But it would be best
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> the bid documents out and then get a firm decision at Baku in early
>>>>>>>> November. Having lived in India, I am a bit concerned that they may
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> more time should they win the bid.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Peng Hwa
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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