[Rigf_program] APrIGF 2013--India is interested

Tue Sep 4 09:15:01 HKT 2012

Dear Anja,

I hope you receive this in time before your meeting with Dr. Govind.

I suppose you can begin the meeting with him by conveying to him our regards and our thanks for the offer.

I had told him that there is a competitive bid from South Korea already. I think if you can emphasize that, it would be helpful. We would not want him to have expectations of a "lock" only to be disappointed should be final decision go to Korea.

Having said that, even if the bid does not go to India this coming year, there is always next year.

Regards,
Peng Hwa

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Sent: Sunday, 2 September, 2012 11:53 PM
To: Izumi AIZU
Cc: rigf_program at ap.rigf.asia; Ching Chiao
Subject: Re: [Rigf_program] APrIGF 2013--India is interested

Dear all,

I will also be in Baku and would like to join the discussions.

Please allow me to also make a few comments here. I agree with the need to set into place procedures that are clear, transparent, and take into account the enormous variety that the AP region is made up of. To make this a truly regional event, I believe this would necessarily need to involve a balanced representation of the different regions on the MAG, as well as, as much as possible, a rotation of the event around different parts of the region.

I have observed the development of the APrIGF mostly from the outside over the past few years, and since February, have also gotten the opportunity to have some glimpses from the inside. I have much appreciated the enormous and evident efforts that various people on this list have made to grow and develop this yearly event. However, if the focus of the event - in practice, if not in intention - continues to be on East and South East Asia, it is unlikely that existing criticisms will go away.

For that reason, I think it is important that procedures are put into place from this year onwards, and that existing decisions can be reviewed. This is not to say that the next APrIGF should necessarily come to India. It is to say, however, that if India is to bid, this bid should be fully considered and given a fair chance. It is only when the APrIGF literally comes closer to people that the larger Internet communities in the various parts of AP will feel that it is also "their" event.

Finally, let me say that if the Indian government shows an interest in hosting the event and puts in a bid, I am sure they would do a good job.

I am likely to meet with Dr. Govind this Tuesday. Please let me know if there is anything you would like me to clarify with him, or any comments you would like to share. I would be happy to do so.

Best wishes,
Anja

On 2 September 2012 10:25, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org<mailto:iza at anr.org>> wrote:
Indonesian Government person is Dr. Sardjoeni Moedjiono.

He is on the IGF MAG, and I believe trying to host global IGF in 2013,
am not sure if that is 100% confirmed, but highly likely.  He has two
hats:

Dr. Sardjoeni Moedjiono
Executive Team Member of the National ICT Council, Republic of Indonesia.

Director of Postgraduate Program,
Budi Luhur University,
Jakarta, Indonesia.

We sent invitation letter to him for this year's APrIGF, and due to
late invitation/planning, he wanted but could not join.

I don't think Indonesia will host one global and one regional in the
same year or consecutively, but I think it is better to let them be
inside the loop for APrIGF (among others).

izumi

2012/9/2 Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com<mailto:fouadbajwa at gmail.com>>:
> That is exactly what I had heard about KISA and SKs commitment.It is
> the reason that I was pointing this out because within IGF related
> activities, any body that takes up a regional IGF activity should also
> build up the stakeholder confidence and trust in its processes so that
> a legitimacy may be sustainably established.
>
> India's interest can be confirmed and kept for 2014 so that they also
> have time to commit and prepare. If you take the APrIGF to South Asia,
> then there will have to be considerable effort to convince and bring
> in South Asian governments, academic, civil society, researchers,
> private sector. The cooperation basis in that region is very tense due
> to the war on terror and other inter-regional issues that have been
> part of a strained history of relations. It would also mean to
> convince SAARC the South Asian Association Regional Cooperation into
> the process.
>
> One thing that is missing from the APrIGF as Parminder had also
> pointed out is both balanced representation of stakeholder groups in
> the process while I also believe in Prof Peng's stance that new things
> take time to build up but if the proper combined effort is made this
> can be achieved.
>
> I can even organize a APrIGF in Pakistan but without having a local
> commitment to the IGF process does not enable a successful cooperation
> for that to happen between all the stakeholder groups so as Paul also
> points out, there needs to be a detailed level of commitment and
> clarity in purpose of the process legitimizing the MSG participation.
>
> Best
>
> FoOodafied!
>
> On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Ching Chiao <chiao at registry.asia<mailto:chiao at registry.asia>> wrote:
>> Dear all -- I've worked with KISA for a successful APNG Camp last month in
>> Seoul. As Dr. Sir told me -- the budget of 2013 APrIGF in Korea has been
>> booked and keep in mind they are a government agency therefore the
>> commitment is 200% there (the other 100% is that if the meeting is not
>> happening there will be a consequence). On the other hand, I remember when I
>> helped chair the AP* meeting earlier this year in New Delhi, we did talk
>> about recognizing Korea's interest back then and we thank them for give ways
>> to Japan for this year's meeting (and at that time KISA does not have a
>> meeting proposal).
>>
>> I do not know if YJ Park is on this list. I know she's been involved in
>> Korean IGF and is the main international contact. Ms. Jin from KISA was also
>> assigned to prepare for IGF.
>>
>> Ching
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org<mailto:iza at anr.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, yes, I will be in Baku and willing to join the meeting, and
>>> I also agree with Paul and others that it's time for us to
>>> define the process in an open manner - so as not to be blamed
>>> yet again - for selection of the next venue and also define
>>> ourselves - who are organizing the APrIGF under which terms
>>> and conditions, again this should be open and transparent.
>>>
>>> izumi
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/9/2 Keith Davidson <keith at internetnz.net.nz<mailto:keith at internetnz.net.nz>>:
>>> > Hi Peng Hwa, all,
>>> >
>>> > I will be in Baku and support the idea of getting together to discuss.
>>> > Perhaps we should concentrate on establishing 2 sub committees of the
>>> > main group, to deal specifically with:
>>> >
>>> > - Sub committee 1 - Meeting hosting procedures
>>> > - Sub committee 2 - MSG composition and appointments
>>> >
>>> > And perhaps establishing a charter for these sub committees ??
>>> >
>>> > While it has been great not to have to be confined by rules and
>>> > regulations since our inception, it does appear that we will have to
>>> > have more robust and transparent processes for the future.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers
>>> >
>>> > Keith
>>> >
>>> > On 31/08/2012 5:12 p.m., Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) wrote:
>>> >> Folks,
>>> >>
>>> >> I met Kuo-Wei to discuss the APrIGF process but there were just two of
>>> >> us.
>>> >> What we concluded was that it was essential to get the call for hosting
>>> >> out. That was Wednesday.
>>> >>
>>> >> This Friday morning I met Dr. Govind, senior director of the Government
>>> >> of
>>> >> India's Ministry of CIT, because he expressed interest to host the 2013
>>> >> APrIGF in India. Some people here at the APNIC conference seem to
>>> >> suggest
>>> >> that India would make a better choice. The South Asia region would be
>>> >> more
>>> >> likely to attend.
>>> >>
>>> >> We need to get the bid document out to them soon. And of course prompt
>>> >> the
>>> >> South Koreans to respond.
>>> >>
>>> >> A number of us will be at the IGF at Baku. We should take the
>>> >> opportunity
>>> >> to iron out the civil society process issues. But it would be best to
>>> >> get
>>> >> the bid documents out and then get a firm decision at Baku in early
>>> >> November. Having lived in India, I am a bit concerned that they may
>>> >> need
>>> >> more time should they win the bid.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> Peng Hwa
>>> >>
>>> >>
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