[Rigf_program] Fwd: Look forward to see you in Tokyo.... and session M4

William Fitzgerald williamf at google.com
Fri Jul 13 08:37:54 HKT 2012 

I'm not sure i understand this email. I agree to the proposed title change
if that's the question.


On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Yoshihiro Obata <
ObataYoshihiro at eaccess.net> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
>   I just noticed that I received an email that Google and its speakers
> agreed with the original change to "Evolution of Internet governance
> models".  Since William is on the list of this email, I would like to agree
> to the change after his confirmation on whether the other  proposals are
> better or not.
>
>   However, please finish this discussion by early afternoon tomorrow.
>  Some materials may not be changed later.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Yoshihiro Obata
>
>
> (2012/07/11 18:12), Izumi AIZU wrote:
>
>> I have no real preference at this stage.
>>
>> Change may look better, but feels a bit odd at this stage.
>>
>> izumi
>>
>>
>> 2012/7/11 Yoshihiro Obata <ObataYoshihiro at eaccess.net>:
>>
>>> Dear MSG members,
>>>
>>>     As I stated before, I do not like to change it at this stage without
>>> your majority support.  Since we are at the final stage of working for
>>> printing materials, we need it very soon.
>>>     If we do not see many responses by the end of today, I would like to
>>> propose a quick poll tomorrow by Peng Hwa or a chairman's decision and
>>> fix the issue by the end of tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Yoshihiro Obata
>>>
>>> (2012/07/11 17:20), Adam Peake wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone.
>>>>
>>>> Pablo's right "pertaining to the Internet" is redundant in the title.
>>>> Suggest title as either
>>>>
>>>> (1) "International Public Policy and Internet Governance"
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> (2) "International Public Policy Issues Pertaining to the Internet"
>>>>
>>>> And given the ITU council working group named "international
>>>> Internet-related public policy issues", the first of those names
>>>> probably better.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Pablo Hinojosa <pablo at apnic.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Yoshiro Obata,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your message. Not the purpose of my message to bring
>>>>> confusion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Great to be proved wrong that the title doesn't imply supporting
>>>>> activities such as the closed ITU CWG-Internet. This is good news.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess we all agree that the current multistakeholder model is the one
>>>>> that we need to care for and promote its evolution within this
>>>>> framework. I offered an alternative title, but I am open to any
>>>>> suggestions. Perhaps title can be "Evolution of the current Internet
>>>>> governance model"?
>>>>>
>>>>> My point is that the current title is heavily charged with the ITU
>>>>> connotation and the implication of "Internet Governance issues
>>>>> pertaining to the Internet" doesn't make much sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pablo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/07/12 5:49 PM, Yoshihiro Obata wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear German and Pablo,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      I am a little confused.
>>>>>>      As far as I understand, the session covers many UN like
>>>>>> activities
>>>>>> which are trying to manage the Internet.  Basically, all of the
>>>>>> speakers
>>>>>> are against such idea.  The reason why the title is such is that it is
>>>>>> the name for all of these activities.
>>>>>>      If you are suggesting that the title implies that it "supports"
>>>>>> such
>>>>>> activity, that is a wrong assumption.  I think you need to read the
>>>>>> abstract of the session.
>>>>>>      Secondly, I do not think the presenters will propose any new
>>>>>> Internet
>>>>>> governance model so that your proposal of "evolution" may not fit
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>      I think what we want to stick with is the multistakeholder model
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> it is right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Anyway, my understanding is that we let the coordinator propose
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> session title unless their is a conflict or confusion with other
>>>>>> sessions or the majority of the MSG think that the title does not fit
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      I do not have any strong position on the change but I do not
>>>>>> support
>>>>>> nor refuse the change for the reasons above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Yoshihiro Obata
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (2012/07/11 16:23), German Valdez wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm forwarding this message to the list on behalf of Pablo Hinojosa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please if you need to reply include Pablo in the cc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> German
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>> Subject: Look forward to see you in Tokyo.... and session M4
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:12:07 +1000
>>>>>>>> From: Pablo Hinojosa <pablo at apnic.net <mailto:pablo at apnic.net>>
>>>>>>>> To: program at ap.rigf.asia <mailto:program at ap.rigf.asia>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello from APNIC,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope all is well. I look forward to meet you next week at the
>>>>>>>> APrIGF in
>>>>>>>> Tokyo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have not been involved in the discussions that lead to the
>>>>>>>> preparation
>>>>>>>> of the forum, although some of my colleagues in APNIC have. When we
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> preparing our participation for next week, the following issue
>>>>>>>> caught
>>>>>>>> our attention. It is the title of panel M4: "International Public
>>>>>>>> Policy
>>>>>>>> and Internet Governance Issues Pertaining to the Internet"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First thing is that I would be interested to attend this session
>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>> am sure there will be a rich discussion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, I noticed that the title of the session is a bit strange
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> wondered if it refers to, for example, the ITU's Council Working
>>>>>>>> Group
>>>>>>>> on international Internet-related public policy issues
>>>>>>>> (CWG-Internet):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.itu.int/council/**groups/CWG-internet/index.html<http://www.itu.int/council/groups/CWG-internet/index.html>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And also if there are Internet governance issues that *does not*
>>>>>>>> pertain
>>>>>>>> to the Internet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wonder if, even at this late stage, there could be a consideration
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> change the title of this session, for example, to: "evolution of
>>>>>>>> Internet governance models"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Pablo Hinojosa
>>>>>>>> APNIC
>>>>>>>> +61430147274
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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