[Rigf_program] operating principles, proposed text on quorum etc

Tue Apr 2 20:20:33 HKT 2013

Apologies for being away. Minor crisis is still a crisis and not resolved.

Fouad,

The objection to the use of "steering" you raise apply no matter what term is used. Substitute the word "steering" with "advisory" (I'm not saying we should go with "advisory") and you see what I mean.

Your point of concern in the last para. is valid. That is precisely what the text is supposed to address. If it (the text) does not address it sufficiently, then further suggestions for amendments would be needed.

Regards,
Peng Hwa

From: rigf_program-bounces at ap.rigf.asia [mailto:rigf_program-bounces at ap.rigf.asia] On Behalf Of Fouad Bajwa
Sent: Tuesday, 2 April, 2013 4:32 PM
To: Izumi AIZU
Cc: <rigf_program at ap.rigf.asia>
Subject: Re: [Rigf_program] operating principles, proposed text on quorum etc

The word steering does raise a concern and is a question of legitimacy.

As an individual and volunteer, it causes me no personal discomfort to go with MSG but from the political view of things, it causes me deep concern that once governments are invited to participate beyond how they are doing at the moment, (i have been gathering the feeling of reluctance and doing it for the sake of it so that they are not left out),  steering is a third party or a power group.

How do we make such a group accountable and transparent beyond the remit of mailing lists is a challenge and the name choice is a rational issue. We can all steer but the legitimacy to do so is also being define by ourselves and not a multistakeholder group in reality. This should be somehow kept in mind from the very beginning.

Let me share an example, it may be a point of concern that some potential members of the proposed MSG have been able to fund themselves and participate in apnic or apstar occasions to discuss the APrIGF possibility but this leaves out a majority of those who do not have access to such venues or meetings. If this is the group that gives direction and leadership to MSG in the near future, the polity of the group will always be questioned. For example, who will comprise the MSG, how will the process be carried out and by whom, how will transparency be ensured etc. So there are a lot of issues here that will gradually evolve and have also come up in the past.

Best

On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org<mailto:iza at anr.org>> wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion, it looks like a very good idea to have such
voting mechanism.

As for the naming, I also have no problem with MSG (abbreviation is a little
confusing, but that is another thing and OK for this).

We don't have to be exactly same as global IGF. There, making decision is
sometimes very sensitive, that's why UN SG was asked and advisory remains
as advisory. Here, at least so far, there is no political sensitivity to that level
and also this is the body that decides the substance of the APrIGF, so
there has to be some kind of steering.

izumi

2013/4/2 Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp<mailto:ajp at glocom.ac.jp>>
Hi Fouad,

To be honest, I don't see a problem with MSG.

But the MAG is an advisory group. Who would an AP MAG be advising?
The IGF MAG had a mandate from the UN Secretary General to help him
convene the IGF.  It advises him.

The MSG's task is to steer the process of organizing/holding the AP
regional IGF. A group comprised of multi-stakeholders who volunteer to
steer, guide,  plan, etc. the APrIGF.

Sorry, I missing the problem!

Best,

Adam

On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com<mailto:fouadbajwa at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Adam,
>
> Are we till going to call the multistakeholder a steering group? I had
> shared earlier that this was a very confusing term. A multistakeholder led
> process being steered? The advisory approach that is common around other
> regional and country IGF's should be considered. There is no harm in having
> a MAG here. The ArabIGF also adoption the MAG term for its multistakeholder
> group.
>
> Best
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp<mailto:ajp at glocom.ac.jp>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> Cheryl and I offered to edit the text of the draft operating
>> principles, section 6, membership, about "quorum".  We propose as new:
>>
>> For the affirmative vote to be quorate 3 of the 4 recognized
>> stakeholder groupings, as identified in section 4 "Organizational
>> Principles" of this document; Must have at least 5 votes cast by
>> individuals having previously established their Stakeholder Group
>> affiliation.
>>
>> (old text:  The quorum for any vote or decision by the MSG will be set
>> at 20 voting members, with at least 2 individuals having established
>> affiliation with each recognised stakeholder grouping.)
>>
>> Minium 20 members must vote, 5 members from 3 of the 4 groups.
>>
>> Comments please,
>>
>> Adam
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