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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 September 2013 13:40, Adam Peake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I didn't know this history.<br>
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Perhaps given ESCAP's new interest in enhanced cooperation they might now start to show interest in IGF? 3rd time lucky.<br>
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Parminder, could you introduce the ESCAP participants to the APrIGF.<br>
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Adam<br>
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On Sep 6, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) wrote:<br>
<br>
> Fyi and for the record.<br>
><br>
> UNESCAP has been disappointing in its record of involvement with the<br>
> APrIGF. In the Singapore meeting, and based on the suggestion of<br>
> Parminder, the Bangkok office was approached a couple of times for<br>
> support. We were looking for financial support first. But nothing there. A<br>
> rep? Yes, at first. Then maybe. Then, sorry.<br>
><br>
> In Tokyo, there was no one from ESCAP either.<br>
><br>
> I have recounted the sorry episode to Parminder.<br>
><br>
> In Chinese culture, a big shot must be approached three times. Only when<br>
> he says no the third time then can you take it that he means no. I suppose<br>
> from that perspective, no harm giving UNESCAP another shot. (Pun<br>
> unintended.)<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Peng Hwa<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 5/9/13 3:30 PM, "Adam Peake" <<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi Parminder:<br>
>><br>
>> You have sent your comments to the right place, I think you can now<br>
>> consider them being considered!<br>
>><br>
>> Government participation is a challenge, we've tried a couple of ways to<br>
>> get more govt members involved with not enough success. There was one<br>
>> government person in the lunch meeting where we considered the proposals<br>
>> to host the 2014 meeting (and thank you to her for joining and talking<br>
>> part.)<br>
>><br>
>> That said, overall attendance by governments is quite high, and thanks to<br>
>> the Korean hosts/Korean government for that.<br>
>><br>
>> About your second point, I hope we are all aware of this challenge and<br>
>> the separation of program committee and host committee means there is<br>
>> little or no likelihood of such problems. Supporters should be<br>
>> recognized and thanked, or there wouldn't been a well functioning meeting<br>
>> and many from participants fromdeveloping countries would not be able to<br>
>> attend, but balance important. I think this Seoul IGF has it right.<br>
>><br>
>> Adam<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Sep 5, 2013, at 3:30 PM, parminder wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Thanks Adam<br>
>>><br>
>>> If possible please consider the suggestion that I gave in my last email<br>
>>> in the proposed agenda item in today's meeting about review of process.<br>
>>><br>
>>> To sum<br>
>>><br>
>>> 1. Ask for government agencies support and partnerships<br>
>>><br>
>>> 2. Make clear that there will be no quid pro quo for funding support in<br>
>>> terms of visibility (inside the forum), agenda shaping or speaking slots<br>
>>> (generally, taking from UN IGF norms in this regard).<br>
>>><br>
>>> 3. Seek a plan for involving local level UN agencies<br>
>>><br>
>>> 4. Seek a plan for partnership with and outreach to NGOs, especially<br>
>>> those that work on issues related to marginalised sections of the<br>
>>> society ( all these should be serious considerations for selection)<br>
>>><br>
>>> Separately, at the APrIGF MSG level, please approach UNESCAP and other<br>
>>> regional UN agencies to be a part of the APrIGF organising/ management<br>
>>> system.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> best, parminder<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thursday 05 September 2013 09:22 AM, Adam Peake wrote:<br>
>>>> Hi Parminder,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Can't speak for everyone or the MSG, so just my understanding.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The meeting RFP is online<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <<a href="http://aprigf.asia/documents/APrIGF_Request_for_Proposals_Local_Host.pd" target="_blank">http://aprigf.asia/documents/APrIGF_Request_for_Proposals_Local_Host.pd</a><br>
>>>> f><br>
>>>> (and was developed though discussion on the open list, which of<br>
>>>> course doesn't make in perfect, but does mean it was created through a<br>
>>>> transparent process.)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Sep 2, 2013, at 1:21 PM, parminder wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Dear All<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I will not get into comparative evaluation since I can be considered<br>
>>>>> an interested party :). I of course will like to have it in my country<br>
>>>>> which is India.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On another note, as I see the bids, while they mention the likely<br>
>>>>> corporate sponsors that the potential hosts should be able to attract,<br>
>>>>> there is no mention of the existing/ likely partnerships with<br>
>>>>> national/ state/ local government agencies. If I remember right, the<br>
>>>>> official document of APrIGF which is used for inviting bids for<br>
>>>>> hosting APrIGF does not make this demand, of listing government<br>
>>>>> involvement/ partnerships, while it does ask for potential corporate<br>
>>>>> funding sources. (I may be wrong. Can the secretariat please forward<br>
>>>>> to me the concerned document. Thanks.)<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>> You're right, there's no requirement to list government involvement or<br>
>>>> support, only to invite government speakers. And it might be a good<br>
>>>> idea to make recommendation that the host seek government support for<br>
>>>> holding the meeting. But best to discuss this to make sure there<br>
>>>> wouldn't be any unexpected consequences.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Also, I have since long been asking for involvement of regional UN<br>
>>>>> agencies in organising APrIGF. As far as I know there has been no<br>
>>>>> serious effort made in this direction. But again I may be wrong and am<br>
>>>>> happy to be corrected. Especially UNESCAP should be invited into the<br>
>>>>> organising committee. (UNESCAP, incidentally, is now a member of UN<br>
>>>>> Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation.)<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The IGF's organized under UNDESA and I believe UNESCAP would be from a<br>
>>>> different arm of the UN (As a par of ECOSOC having ESCAP participate in<br>
>>>> the CSTD process is logical and a fit with the usual UN structures).<br>
>>>> Informing regional UN organizations (also UNDP?) might be helpful, but<br>
>>>> perhaps not in the organization of the event. And I don't think we did<br>
>>>> that this year, however there was outreach to the regions governments,<br>
>>>> and the local hosts have been successful in providing support for<br>
>>>> representatives from some developing country governments.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Lastly, connected to the recent controversy on what got called as<br>
>>>>> 'commericialisation of the IGF' ( including by Markus Kummer), I will<br>
>>>>> like to seek a clarification about what is the quid pro quo if any for<br>
>>>>> the corporate funding that may be sought. And whether it is made clear<br>
>>>>> to potential bidders that while 'voluntary' funding is welcome, it<br>
>>>>> would not be against any special favours, of visibility, agenda<br>
>>>>> setting or speaking slots.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The agenda, workshops, speakers etc are developed by the program<br>
>>>> committee, not by the local host. Thus I think the risk of the type of<br>
>>>> commercialization you are concerned about is minimal. The program<br>
>>>> committee runs an open process, from discussing the themes and agenda<br>
>>>> to selection of workshops.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Hope this helps.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Adam<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> thanks, parminder<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Saturday 31 August 2013 10:26 PM, APrIGF Secretariat wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Dear MSG members,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> After several call meetings to discuss about the 2014 local host,<br>
>>>>>> would like to further call for preference and comments from all the<br>
>>>>>> MSG members to both proposals.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Attached again the revised comparison sheet and the 2 proposals.<br>
>>>>>> 1. ISPAI & NIXI<br>
>>>>>> 2. Department of Computer Science, University of Philippines Cebu<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Selection Process:<br>
>>>>>> - Secretariat has sent the comparison sheet to both proponents<br>
>>>>>> allowing supplementary information submission by 3 Sep<br>
>>>>>> - MSG to further comment and indicate preferences on the mailing<br>
>>>>>> lists by 4 Sep (Wed)<br>
>>>>>> - Comments will be bring forward to draw a recommendation<br>
>>>>>> - Meeting will be held in Seoul to ratify the final decision<br>
>>>>>> *Remote participation is available and encouraged for those PC<br>
>>>>>> members who cannot attend physically<br>
>>>>>> *WebEx meeting details will be provided soon.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 1st meeting<br>
>>>>>> Date: 5 Sep (Thu)<br>
>>>>>> Time: 13:00 - 14:00 (Korea Time UTC+9)<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 2nd meeting (Depends on progress on Thu)<br>
>>>>>> Date: 6 Sep (Fri)<br>
>>>>>> Time: 13:00 - 14:00 (Korea Time UTC+9)<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Important To-Do:<br>
>>>>>> - Please kindly confirm your participation on-site by 2 Sep (Mon) so<br>
>>>>>> that KISA can prepare the lunch box for us?<br>
>>>>>> - Could you also confirm your remote participation so that we can<br>
>>>>>> ensure enough quorum and stakeholder representation?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Thank you very much for your attention. We hope the process outlined<br>
>>>>>> would help strengthen our transparency and multi-stakeholder<br>
>>>>>> participation on the process.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Best Regards,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Yannis Li<br>
>>>>>> Secretariat of APrIGF<br>
>>>>>> DotAsia Organisation Ltd.<br>
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