<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>Dear Rajesh,</div><div><br></div><div>There was never a doubt on what India has achieved. We have several friends and partners in India, who we continue to work with virtually. However, when it comes to any face to face meeting or interaction, it becomes too challenging and exclusionary… though its only political situation to be blamed for. </div><div><br></div><div>APrIGF is now shaping up to be a very important regional IG forum, where many of us are keen to contribute and participate. We flagged visa issue only for the reason that if it has to happen in India, some concrete solutions can be put in place to minimize the possibility of exclusion of neighboring countries. Following figures that you mentioned only reaffirms our point of view. </div><div><br></div><div>You are right and for that matter, I would call several EU processes exclusionary too precisely due to visa issues. But for APrIGF, we own it and we wish to work with it hence this small note of concern. </div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes and regards</div><div>Shahzad</div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Rajesh Chharia <<a href="mailto:rc@cjnet4u.com">rc@cjnet4u.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Monday, August 19, 2013 12:50 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> "<a href="mailto:program@aprigf.asia">program@aprigf.asia</a> APrIGF Committee" <<a href="mailto:program@aprigf.asia">program@aprigf.asia</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> APrIGF Secretariat <<a href="mailto:sec@aprigf.asia">sec@aprigf.asia</a>>, Yannis Li <<a href="mailto:yannis@registry.asia">yannis@registry.asia</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [Rigf_program] Host 2014 Proposals Evaluation<br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Dear All,</div><div><br></div>I can understand the view point of 2 members on visa issues. I must also share the facts as under :<div><br></div><div>Recently, held <u>SANOG August 2013 in Mumbai</u></div><div><br></div><div>Total Attendees: 223</div><div><br></div><div>Pakistan : 2</div><div>Bangladesh : 4</div><div>Sri Lanka : 1</div><div>Nepal : 7</div><div><br></div><div><u>APRICOT 2012 in New Delhi:</u></div><div><br></div><div><div>Total Attendees: 988</div><div><br></div><div>Pakistan : 1</div><div>Bangladesh : 10</div><div>Sri Lanka : 3</div><div>Nepal : 13</div></div><div><br></div><div>Ground realities on visa issues can be very specific as one can have the same concern for China and for that matter, it can be for USA. We have to bring participative approach and overlook any country specific issues for conducting global events. In brief, issues particularly related to one or two country's relationship should not deter to finalize venues. In a lighter vein every second venue may have this or similar challenge. Having said that, I would not absolve myself from the responsibility of helping the members for the visa. I had done the same in the past. </div><div><br></div><div>India has over 900 million mobile subscriber and majority of them either on or moving to smart phones for date. Further Indian Government have invested 4-5 Billion USD on Rural India Broadband project (BBNL) with a target of 600 Million Broadband users by 2020. Presently 150 million + Internet Users. In my opinion, we should take such factors into consideration for organizing events leading to all inclusiveness and the challenges for the same.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope my response is viewed in the spirit of togetherness if not on boundaries, :-) atleast on Internet - A boundary-less world technology.</div><div><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Verdana; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; font-style: italic; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Verdana; 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"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; font-style: italic; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> </i></div></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><br><div><div>On 19-Aug-13, at 11:48 AM, AHM Bazlur Rahman wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"></div><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; ">Dear Professor & colleagues,</span><br> </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; ">Due to visa problem, I would like support to organise </span><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"> </div><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; ">2014 APrIGF</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "> in Nepal or Srilanka.</span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">With best regards,</div><div><div style="font-family:Verdana"><br></div><div><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><b><font face="tahoma,sans-serif">Bazlu</font></b></div> <div><div><div><font face="tahoma,sans-serif">________________________</font></div><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><font color="#666666">AHM. Bazlur Rahman-S21BR</font><b><font color="#cc33cc"> </font></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><b><font color="#cc33cc">|</font><font color="#666666"> </font></b></span><font color="#666666">Chief Executive Officer </font><span lang="EN-GB" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><b><font color="#cc33cc">|</font></b></span><br> <font color="#666666">Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (BNNRC)</font><br><font size="1" color="#cc33cc"><b style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">[NGO in Special Consultative Status with the UN Economic and Social Council]</b></font><br> <font color="#666666"> </font><br><font color="#666666">House: 13/3, Road: 2, Shaymoli, Dhaka-1207</font><b><font color="#cc33cc">|</font></b><font color="#666666"> Bangladesh</font><b><font color="#cc33cc">|</font></b><br> <font color="#666666">Phone: +88-02-9130750| 9101479 | Cell: +88 01711881647 </font><br><font color="#666666">Fax: 88-02-9138501</font><font color="#993399"> </font><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><b><font color="#993399">|</font></b><font color="#666666"> </font></span><font style="color:rgb(102,102,102)">E-mail: </font><font><a href="mailto:ceo@bnnrc.net" style="color:rgb(102,102,102)" target="_blank">ceo@bnnrc.net</a><b><font color="#993399"> |</font></b><font color="#666666"> </font></font><font><a href="mailto:bnnrc@bd.drik.net" style="color:rgb(102,102,102)" target="_blank">bnnr</a><a href="mailto:cbd@gmail.com" style="color:rgb(102,102,102)" target="_blank">cbd@gmail.com</a> <b><font color="#993399">|</font></b><font color="#666666"> </font></font></font></div> <div><font style="color:rgb(102,102,102)" face="tahoma,sans-serif"><a href="http://www.bnnrc.net/" target="_blank">www.bnnrc.net</a></font></div><div><font color="#666666" face="tahoma,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div> <font color="#666666" face="tahoma,sans-serif"><img src="http://bnnrc.net/images/bnnrc_sig.gif"><br></font><div><br></div></div></div></div> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 August 2013 12:04, Shahzad Ahmad <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shahzad@bytesforall.pk" target="_blank">shahzad@bytesforall.pk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div style="font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;word-wrap:break-word"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline"></div>Dear Professor & colleagues,</div> <div><br></div><div>A small detail for your kind consideration while deciding on the venue for <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline"></div>2014 APrIGF. </div><div> <br></div><div>For many of us in south Asian countries, visa processes are more exclusionary than anything else. We feel that a regional event in India may result in exclusion of quite a few of us e.g. participants from Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh etc. In the past, for Hyderabad IGF also, Pakistanis were unable to attend because of cross border tensions. </div> <div><br></div><div>Thought we should flag this issue to all of you. </div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes and regards</div><div>Shahzad</div><div> </div><div><br></div><span><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in 0in;text-align:left;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223)"> <span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> "Ang Peng Hwa (Prof)" <<a href="mailto:TPHANG@ntu.edu.sg" target="_blank">TPHANG@ntu.edu.sg</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Friday, August 16, 2013 9:22 PM<br> <span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Wu Kuo <<a href="mailto:kuoweiwu@gmail.com" target="_blank">kuoweiwu@gmail.com</a>>, Fouad Bajwa <<a href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>><br> <span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> APrIGF Secretariat <<a href="mailto:sec@aprigf.asia" target="_blank">sec@aprigf.asia</a>>, "<a href="mailto:program@aprigf.asia" target="_blank">program@aprigf.asia</a> APrIGF Committee" <<a href="mailto:program@aprigf.asia" target="_blank">program@aprigf.asia</a>><br> <span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [Rigf_program] Host 2014 Proposals Evaluation<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>This is very good news indeed that we have another bidder.</div><div><br></div><div> Given the introduction of the new competition, I would second Fouad's view</div><div>on the criterion of readiness. Rajesh and ISPAI had been pursuing the bid</div><div>to host an APrIGF for two years now. They have also attended various</div> <div>meetings and know what is expected in one of our meetings. The bid from</div><div>the University of Philippines Cebu is very encouraging but I think it has</div><div>underestimated the support--eg translation, live transcribing, live</div> <div>webcast--that we have come to expect.</div><div><br></div><div>It would be good if Espinosa, who submitted the bid, be informed of the</div><div>support expected and if he could attend the meeting in Seoul so he knows</div> <div>what is expected.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Peng Hwa</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 16/8/13 6:56 PM, "Wu Kuo" <<a href="mailto:kuoweiwu@gmail.com" target="_blank">kuoweiwu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div> <div><br></div><blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#b5c4df 5 solid;PADDING:0 0 0 5;MARGIN:0 0 0 5"><div>Basically I agree, but leave the decision to the committee. Yannis is</div><div>helping in the administration to provide support and prepare the</div> <div>documentation.</div><div><br></div><div>Kuo Wu</div><div><br></div><div>從我的 iPhone 傳送</div><div><br></div><div>Fouad Bajwa <<a href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>> 於 2013/8/16 18:19 寫道：</div> <div><br></div><blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#b5c4df 5 solid;PADDING:0 0 0 5;MARGIN:0 0 0 5"><div> Dear Yannis and all,</div><div><br></div><div> Thank you for sharing this. I would like to request you to kindly</div><div> share which proposal came in first. For members of this list, it is</div><div> prudent to note that we can adopt a first come first considered</div><div> approach and build an order according to proposals. There should also</div> <div> be some sort of criterion to understand the readiness of a country to</div><div> host such an event.</div><div><br></div><div> If ISPAI and NIXI, India has presented the proposal first in the order</div><div> of submissions, and, the Department of Computer Science, University of</div> <div> Philippines Cebu is second in that order of submission, the first EOI</div><div> should be considered for the coming year whereas the next year may be</div><div> considered for the second EOI.</div><div><br></div><div> Secondly, regional diversity is also an important consideration for</div><div> selection of a venue. So far, we have haven't had a APrIGF activity in</div><div> South Asia. May I propose for the program committee members to</div> <div> consider a host country EOI to be considered in order of submission</div><div> and on the basis of the need for regional diversity?</div><div><br></div><div> Best</div><div><br></div><div> --</div><div> Regards.</div> <div> --------------------------</div><div> Fouad Bajwa</div><div> ICT4D and Internet Governance Advisor</div><div> My Blog: Internet's Governance: <a href="http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/</a></div> <div> Follow my Tweets: <a href="http://twitter.com/fouadbajwa" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/fouadbajwa</a></div><div><br></div><div> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:11 PM, APrIGF Secretariat <<a href="mailto:sec@aprigf.asia" target="_blank">sec@aprigf.asia</a>></div> <div>wrote:</div><blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#b5c4df 5 solid;PADDING:0 0 0 5;MARGIN:0 0 0 5"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> Dear Program Committee,</div><div><br></div><div> Would like to make a clarification that we have received 1 more</div> <div>additional</div><div> proposal within the deadline. 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