<p>Exactly Paul EXACTLY</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 2, 2012 1:44 AM, "Paul Wilson" <<a href="mailto:pwilson@apnic.net">pwilson@apnic.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I think it is important to agree that, although there have been discussions, nothing is decided. It does seem time for APrIGF to adopt some clear processes for host/venue selection, as well as for renewal of the MSG, and as Peng Hwa says, this is a test case for those processes.<br>
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Paul.<br>
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On 02/09/2012, at 12:15 AM, Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) wrote:<br>
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> Fouad,<br>
><br>
> Nothing has been decided yet.<br>
><br>
><br>
> This would be the test case for us in helping us set up rules on how to<br>
> decide in the event of competing bids.<br>
><br>
> Peng Hwa<br>
><br>
> On 1/9/12 6:12 PM, "Fouad Bajwa" <<a href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> True Prof Ang, but IMHO, India also hosted the IGF in Hyderabad in<br>
>> 2008 and an ICANN meeting. South Korea should be given the opportunity<br>
>> if there is an interest from them prior to India. I know there are<br>
>> certain concerns around participation and increase multistakeholder<br>
>> participation as well as balance of govts, civil society, academia,<br>
>> private sector and research but there is also a need to check with the<br>
>> first proposal. It may be prudent to inquire from KISA if they are<br>
>> interested or not prior to spending time on the Indian proposal.<br>
>><br>
>> Can we check with the South Koreans if they are still backing their<br>
>> proposal? If yes, then India can be next year's host, if not, India<br>
>> can be this year's host? I would prefer giving countries with lesser<br>
>> IGF related activities more participation opportunity.<br>
>><br>
>> At the multilateral level, India's and BRIC's proposals with regards<br>
>> to IG have seem to have created a stir in the recent past and there<br>
>> may be more need to bring countries into the IGF loop like South Korea<br>
>> etc that should also increase participation in Internet discussions<br>
>> but these are just some quick thoughts before i log off.<br>
>><br>
>> Best<br>
>><br>
>> Foooo<br>
>><br>
>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) <<a href="mailto:TPHANG@ntu.edu.sg">TPHANG@ntu.edu.sg</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>> The issue is not the commitment from Korea. The issue is that there is a<br>
>>> counter-offer.<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 1/9/12 3:23 PM, "Wu Kuo" <<a href="mailto:kuoweiwu@gmail.com">kuoweiwu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> I will try to ask Dr. Sir who is the person showing the interest. I<br>
>>>> guess<br>
>>>> I can meet him sometime in ICANN Toronto or IGF Baku meeting. If any of<br>
>>>> you can access him, please help too.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Kuo Wu<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Fouad Bajwa 於 2012/9/1 下午3:15 寫道：<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>>> From interaction with some other colleagues, I was of the notion that<br>
>>>>> South Korea was pledging to organize the APrIGF and KISA was<br>
>>>>> supposedly going to manage it. I recall KISA also helped in organizing<br>
>>>>> an ICANN meeting in Seoul in 2009 and hosted the OECD Ministerial on<br>
>>>>> the future of the Internet Economy in 2008. Have these commitments<br>
>>>>> changed?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> --<br>
>>>>> Regards.<br>
>>>>> --------------------------<br>
>>>>> Fouad Bajwa<br>
>>>>> ICT4D and Internet Governance Advisor<br>
>>>>> My Blog: Internet's Governance:<br>
>>>>> <a href="http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/</a><br>
>>>>> Follow my Tweets: <a href="http://twitter.com/fouadbajwa" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/fouadbajwa</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Rajnesh D. Singh <<a href="mailto:singh@isoc.org">singh@isoc.org</a>><br>
>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> Hi Peng Hwa et al,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I won't be in Baku, but will arrange a representative from the ISOC<br>
>>>>>> APAC<br>
>>>>>> office to be present at the discussion.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Raj<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> ________________________________<br>
>>>>>> From: "Paul Wilson" <<a href="mailto:pwilson@apnic.net">pwilson@apnic.net</a>><br>
>>>>>> To: "Ang Peng Hwa (Prof)" <<a href="mailto:TPHANG@ntu.edu.sg">TPHANG@ntu.edu.sg</a>><br>
>>>>>> Cc: "APrIGF PC" <<a href="mailto:program@ap.rigf.asia">program@ap.rigf.asia</a>><br>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:33:59 PM<br>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rigf_program] APrIGF 2013--India is interested<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Thanks Peng Hwa.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I will be in Baku, and I would very much like to discuss the<br>
>>>>>> evolution<br>
>>>>>> of<br>
>>>>>> APrIGF, including the selection processes for host/venue, and for the<br>
>>>>>> MSG.<br>
>>>>>> I don't feel that the criticisms of past performance are warranted or<br>
>>>>>> particularly relevant, but I do think that we should continue<br>
>>>>>> development of<br>
>>>>>> clear and open processes for both of these.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Very happy to join a discussion with you all in Baku.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> All the best<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Paul.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 31/08/2012, at 3:12 PM, Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Folks,<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I met Kuo-Wei to discuss the APrIGF process but there were just two<br>
>>>>>>> of us.<br>
>>>>>>> What we concluded was that it was essential to get the call for<br>
>>>>>>> hosting<br>
>>>>>>> out. That was Wednesday.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> This Friday morning I met Dr. Govind, senior director of the<br>
>>>>>>> Government of<br>
>>>>>>> India's Ministry of CIT, because he expressed interest to host the<br>
>>>>>>> 2013<br>
>>>>>>> APrIGF in India. Some people here at the APNIC conference seem to<br>
>>>>>>> suggest<br>
>>>>>>> that India would make a better choice. The South Asia region would<br>
>>>>>>> be<br>
>>>>>>> more<br>
>>>>>>> likely to attend.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> We need to get the bid document out to them soon. And of course<br>
>>>>>>> prompt the<br>
>>>>>>> South Koreans to respond.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> A number of us will be at the IGF at Baku. We should take the<br>
>>>>>>> opportunity<br>
>>>>>>> to iron out the civil society process issues. But it would be best<br>
>>>>>>> to<br>
>>>>>>> get<br>
>>>>>>> the bid documents out and then get a firm decision at Baku in early<br>
>>>>>>> November. Having lived in India, I am a bit concerned that they may<br>
>>>>>>> need<br>
>>>>>>> more time should they win the bid.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Regards,<br>
>>>>>>> Peng Hwa<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
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>> Regards.<br>
>> --------------------------<br>
>> Fouad Bajwa<br>
>> ICT4D and Internet Governance Advisor<br>
>> My Blog: Internet's Governance: <a href="http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/</a><br>
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