[Rigf_program] Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] [Brazil] NCSG representatives for civil society participation on High Level Meeting in London

Fri Nov 29 12:47:26 HKT 2013

This is the email re the matter of meetings (in Brazil next year or
otherwise) that I raised during our APrIGF meeting it was an attempt to
reduce confusion  in the ALAC / At-Large Community...

I hope it helps  makes thongs clear for us as well here on the APrIGF MSG

FYI

*Cheryl Langdon-Orr ...  **(CLO)*
 http://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
Date: 29 November 2013 04:35
Subject: Re: [ALAC-Internal] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] [Brazil] NCSG
representatives for civil society participation on High Level Meeting in
London
To: alac-internal at atlarge-lists.icann.org
Cc: Sally Costerton <sally.costerton at icann.org>

Dear All,

I am going to seriously ask that we please SLOW DOWN THE FRENZY here.

This whole thing about panels and calls for civil society people and all
of the associated bell, whistle, race, whatever you call it, first run
past the post and all the hubbub this is generating is being handled in
such a way that everybody's running all over the place, building on
misinformed messaged and all the like and generating bad blood for no
reason whatsoever, just some confusion upon confusion.

I have received a message from Sally Costerton, which I forward here -
and which I hope will provide more clarity as to what it going on. This
is before I had a chance to jump on the band-waggon and send my message
to Fadi which, upon hindsight, is probably a good thing, but was caused
by my travel back to Europe from Argentina today.

On 28/11/2013 10:00, Sally Costerton wrote:
> Olivier
> Just picked this up and I need to correct this. The request from
> Fadi/Adiel is for two contributors from civil society to serve on the
> Brazil Meeting Steering Committee which will be one of the four groups
> that were announced by CGI on Tuesday that will organize the meeting
> in Brazil next year.  This request came from Adiel on the 1net
> coordination list and this is the one that has a deadline attached.
>
> The meeting in London on Dec 12 and 13 is different. It is a meeting
> of the Panel members already announced last week and Chaired by Vint
> Cerf and President Thomas Ilves.
>
> I hope this is clear - let me know if not
> Sally

I see that people are mixing the two issues -- and indeed, based on the
second hand information on the list, I was also mixing the two issues.
So as you can read: there is NO additional search for the meeting on Dec
12 & 13 according to Sally Costerton.

On the issue of the request from Fadi/Adiel for two contributors from
civil society to serve on the Brazil Meeting Steering Committee, this
request was made on the 1net coordination list so this is not something
asked from the NCSG exclusively.

There is already an enormous amount of frenzy on the IGF Governance list
about the two issues mixed together, because two seats are not much and
therefore everybody's fighting for them... and nobody knows if this is
for the HLM in London or Brazil or whatever. Let's please keep out of
the frenzy.

I will send an email to Fadi requesting clarification on the Brazil
Steering Committee item.

Kind regards,

Olivier

On 27/11/2013 19:07, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> So... The IG lists express "discontent" and they get represented.
>
> ALAC offers quick support and a plea to be includive -- and we get
> overlooked?
>
> This is not starting well.
>
> - Evan
>
> PS: If I had my way, we would recommend either Olivier or Jean Jacques for
> the panel.
>
>
>
>
> On 27 November 2013 12:29, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
wrote:
>
>> "Ask" is technically correct, but you need to understand the history.
>>
>>  From: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>
>>> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:10:04 +0100
>>> To: Governance <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, Norbert Bollow <
>>> nb at bollow.ch>
>>> Subject: Re: [governance] URGENT: Request for input on civil society
>>> representatives for the "Panel on the Future of Global Internet
Cooperation"
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> When Fadi was told last weekend in BA that there had been expressions of
>>> discontent on various IG lists about the lack of CS representation, he
said
>>> ok, send me a name from the community.  I didn’t understand this as an
>>> ironclad commitment that they’d automatically appoint any name we
provided,
>>> but rather as an invitation to suggest someone we think would be good
(on a
>>> panel of CEOs and politicians).  Now it’s been decided to demand that
two
>>> people be empaneled, and a widening search for names is underway.  Has
>>> anyone been in touch with Fadi or President Ilves to let them know what
>>> we’re doing and get their reaction?  As the first meeting of the HLP is
in
>>> two weeks, one imagines the planning is well underway, so it would be
good
>>> for them to know what to expect, when….
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>> At 27/11/2013 09:45 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
>>
>>> Dear José,
>>>
>>> thank you for your kind email expressing your concerns. I am still in
>>> Argentina and am flying home today but from what I understand the
>>> conference in London is going to take place on 12 and 13 December 2013:
>>> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-2-17nov13-en.htm
>>>
>>> I can confirm that I will be in London at that date and will therefore
>>> be able to attend this meeting.
>>> In fact, I am already due to attend the ICANN London 2014 Brainstorming
>>> lunch on 12 December for the organising of the June 2014 meeting.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, I am rather surprised about whether Fadi has asked
>>> NCSG to give him one or two names to represent civil society and attend
>>> the conference. I will investigate by asking, taking into account both
>>> the ALAC and the LACRALO Statements.
>>> Many thanks for drawing this to my attention.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Olivier
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27/11/2013 07:57, José Francisco Arce wrote:
>>>> Dear Olivier,
>>>>
>>>> Just to support our position, and if you talk with Fady, please find
>>>> attached LACRALO statement on this issue, made during Bs As meeting.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> José Arce.-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/11/26 Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> +1.
>>>>>
>>>>> Top of that, Evan reminded Fadi that the ALAC was first out the box in
>>>>> supporting his meeting with President Rousseff. One should always be
>>>>> mindful of one's friends when you're engaged in a fight....
>>>>>
>>>>> -Carlton
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ==============================
>>>>> Carlton A Samuels
>>>>> Mobile: 876-818-1799
>>>>> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
>>>>> =============================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 4:39 PM, José Francisco Arce <
>>>>> josefranciscoarce at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Olivier,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As we can see on the mailing list, Fady is looking someone to
>>> represent
>>>>>> civil society
>>>>>> in the next HLM in London next month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, my question is if ALAC was invite, I want to know whois going to
>>>>>> represent Civil
>>>>>> Society in the HLM? Only NCSG? Why look someno from NCSG if the Panel
>>>>>> members are already stablished.
>>>>>> Why NCSG has the opportunity to provide input into this process
>>> selecting
>>>>>> 2 names for civil society for the HLM in London next month, and not
>>>>> ALAC?.
>>>>>> I know ALAC is not only Civil Society, but ALAC has to have a place
>>> there
>>>>>> IMHO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> José Arce
>>>>>>
>>>>>> News:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/high-level-
>>> panel-organizes-to-address-future-of-internet-governance-232274461.html
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20131117_high_level_panel_
>>> formed_on_the_future_of_internet_governance/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
>>>>>> Date: 2013/11/25
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] [Brazil] NCSG representatives for civil
>>>>> society
>>>>>> participation on High Level Meeting in London
>>>>>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I should note that additional names may be added for consideration
>>> within
>>>>>> the next 24 hours as a consensus must be made by the end of the week.
>>>  So
>>>>>> please provide your input on the names proposed below and any
>>> additional
>>>>>> high-level candidates you wish to see on the HLM next
>>>>>> month.<
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/high-level-
>>> panel-organizes-to-address-future-of-internet-governance-232274461.html
>>>>>> The initial interim steering committee will come to a consensus on *2
>>>>>> names*by this week's end to represent civil society on the HLM from
>>>>>> the slate of
>>>>>> all of those proposed by the different networks.  This is NCSG's
>>>>>> opportunity to provide input into this process of selecting the 2
>>> names
>>>>> for
>>>>>> civil society on the HLM in London next month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance for your feedback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Robin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 25, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first task of this initial interim committee for civil society is
>>> to
>>>>>> provide 2 names from civil society to be added to the High Level
>>> Meeting
>>>>> in
>>>>>> London in December.  We know Fadi said to give him 1 name, but he
must
>>>>> put
>>>>>> 2 civil society people on if he wants civil society to participate in
>>>>> 1Net.
>>>>>>  That is our compromise.  If he wants civil society buy-in, we must
be
>>>>>> provided *equality of representation *on all other panels and
>>> committees
>>>>>> going forward.  We have that much at ICANN and IGF already, so why
>>> would
>>>>> be
>>>>>> backslide that accomplishment at the formation of this new model?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *So NCSG should put forward 2 names for this High Level London
>>> Meeting on
>>>>>> IG.*  So far on the various lists discussing the topic in the IG
>>> space,
>>>>> the
>>>>>> following names have been suggested:
>>>>>> *Bill Drake, Eben Moglen, Anriette Esterhuysen, Milton Mueller.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is NCSG's preference?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Robin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Brazil mailing list
>>>>>> Brazil at ipjustice.org
>>>>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/brazil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Arce, José F.
>>>>>> http://lnkd.in/bPdTThz
>>>>>>
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