[Rigf_program] Definition of 'AP region'

Fri Mar 29 06:28:37 HKT 2013

I'm always happy to support outcomes based on self determination... So
would like to see Edmon's fuzzy edged option discussed further ...

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On 29/03/2013 5:31 AM, "Edmon Chung" <edmon at registry.asia> wrote:

> I would like to offer a suggestion... which perhaps not many people like
> because it is messy...
> For our purposes, I feel we could consider being inclusive rather than
> exclusive.  That is, to resist the restriction of participation, but
> rather, to invite participation from anyone who believes they belong.
>
> Since I do not think we need to "represent" anyone, I do not think we need
> an exclusive approach.  My belief is that this is an open forum and those
> who care enough for Asia Pacific are encouraged to participate.  The
> concept of "Asia Pacific" evolves over time... our focus should be to share
> knowledge and make the Asia Pacific Internet Governance work better through
> collaboration.  I personally do not see the need to "define" a hard
> borderline for participation.
>
> But that is just my opinion... and I will happily accept that it may be a
> minority view :-)
>
> Edmon
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rigf_secretariat-bounces at ap.rigf.asia [mailto:rigf_secretariat-
> > bounces at ap.rigf.asia] On Behalf Of Keith Davidson
> > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 1:42 AM
> > To: rigf_program at ap.rigf.asia
> > Subject: Re: [Rigf_program] Definition of 'AP region'
> >
> > Thanks Adam,
> >
> > I think the reason for this was that we were aware of the establishment
> of
> > the Arab IGF and their initial meeting which was held last year, so the
> APNIC
> > defined region gave a pretty clear boundary...
> >
> > One of the issues we have in this regard is that under the ICANN ccNSO
> rules
> > is that the Pacific Islands like American Samoa are considered to be
> part of
> > North America, and Tahiti and New Caledonia are considered to be part of
> > Europe. Yet they distinctly are Pacific Islands. And so in organising
> our sub-
> > regional PacificIGF, I had wanted to avoid these odd demarcation lines
> and
> > use the geographic location as the determinant factor in deciding what
> the
> > sub-region was. Again, I think the APNIC regional boundaries are better
> than
> > the ICANN ccNSO politically motivated boundaries.
> >
> > Just incidentally, APTLD has a fluid option, allowing countries who are
> on the
> > immediate border of the ICANN ccNSO defined AP region to choose to belong
> > to APTLD or elsewhere - so it is possible that USA / Canada / Central and
> > Southern Americas countries who have borders in the Pacific ocean etc
> could
> > choose to belong to APTLD.
> >
> > Maybe we could apply the same flexibility to our approach for the
> APrIGF? It
> > would seem preferable to allow the greatest amount of flexibility of
> choice
> > for individual countries and territories to opt in or opt out of
> participation?
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Keith
> > On 28/03/2013 11:43 p.m., Adam Peake wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Please see
> > > <http://www.apnic.net/about-APNIC/organization/apnics-region>
> > >
> > > The group decided to adopt the APNIC's definition of the region during
> > > discussions at the end of last year.  I don't recall all what was said
> > > now...
> > >
> > > ICANN's region goes east to Iran. Other intergovernmental org
> > > definitions include the pacific rim countries (from Canada/Alaska to
> > > Chile).
> > >
> > > I think this definition is quite logical and avoids duplication with
> > > other IGFs rather than excludes, but I could be wrong.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Adam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> AP leaves a vacuum to South Asian countries and that has remained a
> > >> contentious issue.
> > >>
> > >> Fouad
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM, HiroHOTTA <hotta at jprs.co.jp> wrote:
> > >>> In the draft of Operating Principles document, AP region is defined
> > >>> as "the economies covered by APNIC".  This difinition is different
> > >>> from that of ICANN or APTLD.  I don't have specific preference at
> > >>> this moment, but I'd like to know the background why APNIC
> > >>> definition is selected.  Also, I'd like to confirm there is no
> > >>> vacuum between the areas defined by APrIGF and by other regional IGF
> > >>> organizations (such as Arab IGF).
> > >>>
> > >>> (I believe this must have already been desicussed, but le me ask)
> > >>>
> > >>> Hiro
> > >>>
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